TRUE HISTORY OF THE SHILOH SHEPHERD™
Written by Tina M. Barber
John O. Public asks -- MaShiloh, Breed Founder, replies
1. I bought my second AKC German Shepherd from Shiloh Shepherd™ kennel in 1989. If I buy one that is now called a "Shiloh Shepherd™" by so many other "breeders" will I still be getting the same type of dog??
9. If your gene pool is so limited that you are still not ready to close the stud books, and outcrossing to GSD's is not recommended, what criteria do you use for selecting appropriate "New Blood" dogs?
I bought my second AKC German Shepherd from Shiloh Shepherds™ kennel in 1989. If I buy one that is now called a "Shiloh Shepherd™" by so many other "breeders" will I still be getting the same type of dog??
As long as the breeder is licensed with the ISSR you can be assured of the same quality that you are expecting. All ISSR breeders are Licensed and operating within the same guidelines I had established for myself many decades ago!
However, if you purchase a pup from someone that is just trying to "pass off" their long haired GSD's or mixed breed pups as "shilohs" then you're getting the wool pulled over your eyes
Please read Shiloh or LHGSD
Then take a few moments to study my article regarding this Confusion??
If you would like to gain a deeper understanding of the present situation regarding this breed, then please take the time to study the true history of the Shiloh Shepherd™ by reading about the kennel of origin and visit my new Tina Speaks site!!
For a quick synopsis of the past 40 years please take a good look at the chart and then follow the links listed at the bottom of the page.
If you take the time to visit a variety of web sites that are promoting the Shiloh Shepherd™ you should notice that some clearly attempt to claim that their dogs have a right to be called by that name because they have each created their own "registries" for this "breed". If you use some basic common sense it shouldn't be difficult for you to figure out why they are making such foolish claims.
In essence, these people are attempting to sell their puppies for higher prices then they could demand if they were to inform you that they were just "long haired" German Shepherds without legitimate AKC papers or worst yet--"Shepherd" mixes!
However, since they did not meet the requirements established by the ISSR to qualify as Shiloh Shepherds™ (mostly because they combined dogs that were not compatible due to the over-inbreeding or they used unapproved GSD's) they were unable to properly register their puppies. Therefore they have chosen to just use the "name" *Shiloh Shepherd™* that has been associated with the awesome dogs that I (Tina Barber) have been producing for over four decades, thus they are misleading the public into thinking that these dogs are the same "breed" while attempting to defame the real Shiloh Shepherd™ that continues to be produced under the strict guidelines of the ISSR!
As you can clearly see from the confusion article and the History chart, this has been going on for nearly a decade now. In each case, these so called "registries" rise--run--and crash, all in a relatively short amount of time while the ISSR has continued to grow and provide our breed with the ethical data collection and processing that must be maintained in order for us to achieve the goals that have been set before us--to continue expanding our gene pool, with extreme care so that we can all enjoy these beautiful giant healthy dogs with sound hips and stable temperaments worthy to be called SHILOH SHEPHERDS™ for many generations to come.
If I purchase a non-ISSR puppy that consists of a cross between an unregistrable "shiloh" and a GSD, what can I call it?
You could call the progeny King Shepherds
(a rare breed listed with ARBA) IF they let you, OR you could call them
long haired GSD's ... although you probably wouldn't be able to get
papers, unless your "Shiloh" dogs still have their AKC papers (and then
they would certainly be too old to breed since the ISSR took over all
registrations in 1991), OR you
could LIE and CLAIM that they are "Shiloh Shepherds™" so that you can sell them for
a lot more money, since there are several dishonest people who have set up "so called"
(Bogus) "registries" out there that will give you
OTX "papers" for such pups. Be sure to read
about this Confusion very slowly!
It's the responsibility of the breeders to follow proper procedures in order to ensure that their litters can be registered. That is why people charge much higher prices for pups that have the proper "papers" backing up their TRUE lineage! In the rare breed world there are many Spurious registries that offer "papers" for a few dollars, without demanding any documentation! The Internet is full of horror stories about such places.
Beware of the frauds!!
|Question 3.||If all of the other (non-ISSR) puppies out there are not "real" Shiloh Shepherds™, why are people pretending that they are?|
Unfortunately the popularity of these magnificent dogs has spread far and wide. Even pet quality pups sell easily for thousands of dollars, with the demand constantly increasing! At this time (2003) I only have 2 litters (one is only a week old, the other is just leaving for their new homes) yet I have plenty of prepaid clients still waiting! By the time my next litter is born, there will be even more people standing in line! Yes, they will all get exactly what they ordered -- eventually, but some folks don't want to wait 4, 6, 10 months, or even longer, just for a pup Such folks can often be duped into paying a high price for a "mutt" as long as the person "claims" to be a "breeder" and offers some kind of certificate (even if it's only "home computer" generated) that states that this pup IS a "Shiloh Shepherd™". Of course the owner will then insist on representing this dog as a "genuine shiloh" because to do otherwise would be admitting to the fact that they were scammed!!
If you want to prevent that from happening
to you, may I suggest that you take a little bit more time investigating
this breed. FAQs: Breed
Specific We also have a lot of other
great articles on our The
Shiloh Shepherd™ Learning Center: Site Map that may be helpful to you.
Then if you sincerely want to understand my complete plan for the future welfare of these dogs, please read this page very carefully!! International Shiloh Shepherd™ Registry And don't forget to purchase my new book!!
|Question 4.||What makes the ISSR Shiloh Shepherd™ different from the others that attempt to claim that name??|
To begin with, the Shiloh Shepherd™ is the result of **my** vision (version) of the "total" GSD. I have spent a lifetime preserving the kind of dog I recalled as a child, and then spent many decades attempting to set type in order for my "vision" for this "breed" to become a reality. Kennel of Origin--The Real History of the Shiloh Shepherd™ dogs
In 1990 I wrote The Origins of the Shiloh Shepherd™ (in word and picture) that clearly outlined my FULL intentions (at that time) for the future development of these dogs! Although I had over 100 dogs in my kennel, I was aware of the fact that I would need help from many other people to sufficiently expand my gene pool. The ISSR was designed (similarly to the SV) in order to assist me with those goals! ISSR, Inc.: Rules and Regulations.
Shortly after that I established my VIB program, and then the OSSA (Original Shiloh Shepherd Academy) where I can continue to teach new future Breeders! The original school was very crude. I made copies of booklets like Planned Breeding by Lloyd Brackett, and typed out pages of lessons and pedigrees that I would mail out to my group of Licensed Breeders in order to help them get more familiarized with our program. I would also include tests that they had to complete and return for scoring. Now most of this is done via the OSS Academy as well as our other forums.
All of our current ISSR Licensed Breeders are listed on our website for your convenience. Many have their own web pages linked that you can view in order to see more pictures and read information about their particular goals within our organization. Many of the more dedicated ones are also on several SSDCA committees such as the Genetic Task Force or heavily involved in their local chapters. All are working hard toward helping me attain full recognition for this breed.
Others that have attempted to claim that name are **NOT** following the same vision that I have always had for these dogs. They are only interested in cashing in on the great reputation that **MY** kennel has been able to attain, due to the many decades of producing my version of the Giant <GSD> Shepherds with good hips and stable temperaments!! Now that the demand has been realized, they are only interested in making a quick profit by misappropriating *the* name, without understanding what *the* name actually stands for! You should take a moment and read What's In a Name and then follow up your knowledge with a peek at our newest (complete timeline) chart Shiloh Shepherd™ History: The First 40 Years as well as Don't Fall 4 The Fraud.
That is why it is SO critical to maintain ALL of the data, on a developing breed ... especially the health issues under ONE umbrella!! Any time that any kind of 'splintering' occurs, the ENTIRE breed suffers! Just take a moment to look at this simple example.
<<What many people don't realize is that: With an autosomal recessive disease, for each affected dog in a pedigree, every one of his offspring, both his parents, half his siblings, at least half his parents' siblings, at least two of his four grandparents and at least half their siblings are carrying the gene. -- That's a lot of dogs! >> Breed Out Genetic Disorders
To learn more about the Shiloh Shepherd, please click on Critical Links.
|Question 6.||If it only takes 3-4 generations of breeding "type" to establish a "rare" breed, why is the Shiloh Shepherd™ listed as STILL being under development?|
Because just "setting type" and establishing a solid foundation does not provide for sufficient gene pool to continue the process! In order to better understand what is involved in "breed development" lets look at the biggest two edged sword that a breeder must learn to deal with, and overcome!!
Inbreeding is a wonderful tool that helps us to set "type" and quickly establish a foundation <like laying the "foundation slab" for a new house>
It helps us to "lock in" all of the desirable virtues we are seeking to build upon, making the next step (outcrossing) much easier to deal with, since we have already "locked in" "our" (Lassie) "type" via the initial inbreeeding program. This is why you can sometimes see an entire litter of pups that resembles (in this case-Collies) one of the parents/grandparents, even though the other parent has a very different appearance.
Example: If you bred this inbred Collie to a beagle, the pups may look a lot more like Collies! Yet they have "picked up" the "shadow dog" (recessive) of the Beagle, and if you breed some of these Collie look-a-like pups to a Golden Retriever, you may end up with pups that look like Goldens or Beagles, even though one of the parents "looked" like a Collie!! This should show you how fast you can "build" or "tear down" any specific "type" that you are striving towards!
There are many "side effects" that have to be overcome, but let's just look at one of them: Immune Deficiency! When people ask me about it, I often say something like ... How many people do you know of that have died from AIDS? After thinking about it seriously, they have to say none. People die of complications associated with the fact that they have AIDS, not the actual "disease" known as Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome! Then I ask them to consider the possibility of every human on earth being affected with this "disease", how many "generations" do they think the human race, as we know it today, could continue?
Now try to apply this scenario to a "breed" of dog. It's easy to see why there would be NO hope for survival for that particular "breed" unless drastic outcrossing were to take place! But of course, that would certainly dilute the "type" that was established to begin with!! (See example above) Therefore the breed must be classified as "still under development" until a sufficient gene pool base of unrelated dogs has been established!! Depending on the number of pups born per year (and the quality of those litters) this process could take several decades!! In the event there are major problems (even "political" ones, like those that have plagued the Shiloh Shepherd) along the way, this "gene pool expansion" process would certainly take a lot longer!!!
If you still would like to investigate this subject further, please read Inbreeding Depression and Outbreeding Depression.
For an even deeper study of this subject; please note what the top scientists have to say!!
"How do the lab mouse breeders "get away with it" -- by starting many, many lines and watching most of them die out as they become more inbred. If you breed enough lines, a few may make it through without any major health problems, but I would be surprised if they were as fit as their wild counterparts. (They may be healthier due to better care and nutrition, but I doubt they'd do as well in the wild.) I think cheetahs are in much the same situation. They made it through some event 10-20,000 years that wiped out the North American and other populations, and the African population was lucky. Conservation biologists still worry about their adaptability. It's not that it can't be done. It's just that no one has the resources to start several 100 inbred lines of Poodle, Aussie, GSD, or whatever, or wants to put down hundreds if not thousands of sick puppies."
|Why can't someone just outcross to a GSD??|
Because that would be defeating the entire purpose of separating from them in the first place!! It has already taken decades to set the proper "type" that can continue to breed true to the Shiloh Shepherd™ breed standard; outcrossing back to a regular GSD would just tear down all of that hard work! Besides, if folks just want a long haired GSD, there are plenty of AKC breeders that are still breeding them!! Why would anyone want to call it a "Shiloh Shepherd™"? The sliver frauds are just doing to to make money! They can purchase GSD "litter lots" from puppy mills and sell them for thousands of dollars by printing off "their own" fake papers!Furthermore, if they liked the idea of a "cross" between the two breeds (like the Labradoodle or Cockapoo crosses) then all they need to do is to purchase a "King Shepherd" since that is what that breed is all about!
The GSD has changed drastically over the past few decades! Due to the stringent demands for competition dogs, the Imports have become much "harder" and many remain in a "hyper" state when they are not working. This is extremely desirable for the competition trainer, but can become a major problem for the typical family that just wants a great companion! Crossing these dogs with the average Shiloh can lead to major temperament problems that must only be dealt with by a professional trainer! Even though some of the EAST German and Czech Imports may still resemble the old-style GSD in appearance, their temperament is very different from the Shiloh Shepherd™! These dogs have been bred, for generations, mainly for police, government and border patrol use! Before purchasing such a dog, the new owner is usually advised (by reputable breeders) to prepare for a stringent training regimen with their local Schutzhund club. Novice ownership is never recommended!
I am speaking here from personal experience, since I was one of the first people, over two decades ago, to start importing them! Hans Blabla has continued to import them, and he also knows the Shilohs very well due to the fact that he trained the first Shiloh Shepherd™ SAR dog in Jackson Hole, Wyoming (back in '78) and started the Alpine Search Teams out there! During the 80's he worked at my kennel and several "Personal Protection" Kennels, such as Kimbertal, working with various breeds. I am sure he is competent to provide you with his personal knowledge regarding Temperaments and Shiloh Shepherds™ versus East German/Czech Imports and/or the potential disasters involved with breeding such lines together!
The American show dogs would
be better suited regarding temperament compatibility, but they have
changed so drastically, in appearance, over the past few years
that crossing back to them at this point would only produce my worst fears
of the 70's: powder puffed mini spooks!! Why would anyone want
to do such a thing to the noble Shiloh Shepherd™?? Take a few minutes
and look at the GSD winners of the 60's then move up to
the past few
years, and you will easily be able to see the changes that have
gone into that marvelous breed!! Now be sure to take a look at
my article regarding Conformation Titles,
what do they mean
and then visit my recent
Broken Hearted Breed Founder Cherry Blossom 2004 article.
|Question 8.||Why are the ISSR rules for breeding these dogs so strict? We don't have all these rules with my GSDs that are registered in the AKC.|
Because this is a breed *still* under development and without a strong vision, and strict rules that must be followed (via the ISSR) this "breed" will never be able to achieve the temperament, conformation and health that I had envisioned! In the AKC and most other registries, any registered male GSD can "legally" be mated with any registered female GSD, regardless of the health, temperament and conformation of the dogs. The ISSR rules are in place to insure that only the best and safest breedings are done, with the ultimate goal of always improving the breed. Therefore, generations after I am gone, this breed will live on and continue to be the best it can possibly be!!